Spike Tassel (Post 93): Just because any of us believe what we do, listening is required of all — whether we be as Trinitarians, or as Reniaa, or as even OUTLAW. There is none so deaf as those unwilling to hear. There is none so blind as those unwilling to see. Even to those "without law", Paul "became as those without law, although [he is] not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, that [he] might gain those without law."(1 Cor.9:21) May we, as Paul, "do all things for the sake of the good news, that [we] may become [sharers] of it with [others].(1 Cor.9:23)
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Jesus.....God or God's son?
by digderidoo infollowing on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.
i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?
consider these two scriptures:.
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Do Not Say: "The Society Teaches"!
by compound complex inwt 1998 - 3/15 p.19 .... .
"in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovahs witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.
instead of saying, "the society teaches," many witnesses prefer to use such expressions as, "the bible says" or, "i understand the bible to teach.
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Spike Tassel (Post 92): "The Society Teaches …" is certainly ambiguous. Which Society/ society is being referred to? A "Zion's Watch Tower Society", a "Watch Tower Society", a "Watchtower Society", or even "the society" in which the several participants of the discussion are all part of (whether is a democratic "society", a theocratic "society", etc.). It's good to avoid any ambiguity, unless the various types are all intended.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Spike Tassel (Post 91): I'm sure that if the Apostle Paul could work with each of us in the ministry, he probably would, even our own C. T. Russell and reniaa. Saul the Pharisee, on the other hand, probably would have just rounded the both of you up and had you dealt with according to the authorization he was operating under before he "met" Jesus. LOL. May brotherly love continue, even here amongst us all.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Spike Tassel (Post 90): well said, orangefatcat (Post 3568), well said.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Spike Tassel (Post 89) re Pistoff (Post 1636): According to the Holy Scriptures, Paul the Apostle definitely did work in the ministry with John Mark, and perhaps with Matthew Levi also. I believe that Saul/Paul, John/Mark, and Matthew/Levi may all have been writing down their thoughts during an overlapping period of many years, and that each of their works reflects what the holy spirit laid upon them to write, a sample of which became bound up in the Bibles before us. In similar fashion, I am on JWN these days interacting with various posters. It is the latest aspect of my long writing career, if I may put it that way, since it goes back to when I first learned to read and write. Now, what I write on JWN as "Spike Tassel" is what JWN readers can know me for. Others will know me for my work in other venues, using other comments, on other topics, in other styles, occasionally referring to other languages, even as I have written under other names for myself. As I said, these days, I am on JWN interacting with various posters. Some I refer to by name, some I don't. Some posters have comments that reflect experience that is important to me, but which I do not have the time/ interest/ etc. to comment on. Sometimes it is deliberate, sometimes it is just the way the spirit is working with me. I suggest that the Apostle Paul is not different from me in this respect. Each of them — Paul, Mark, and Matthew, and the rest of the inspired writers of the Bible — worshipped Jehovah. I see know need for Paul to be any different from his exemplar Jesus, whose commentators also did not find it necessary to acknowledge each and every divine messenger before him. Each one's contribution to the Holy Writ is valuable, both in his own right, and collectively as a shout of praise to Jehovah, the giver of every good gift and every perfect present. The unity of thought despite over 1600 years (from when Moses first set "pen to paper" to when John's Revelation and Letters were finally complete) attests to Jehovah God being the One Divine Author of whatever is not spurious.
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Jesus.....God or God's son?
by digderidoo infollowing on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.
i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?
consider these two scriptures:.
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Spike Tassel (Post 88) re mdb (Post 213): As you yourself said, "The Bible is divinely inspired, but many read it their whole lives with a veil over their eyes." May all of our veils come to be removed, whatever they may be.
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Is the Downfall of Jehovah's Witnesses More Important Then You?
by AllTimeJeff in(on proofreading this, i feel that this is more preachy then i meant it.
so as a disclaimer, i hope you know that if you get that impression, that i didn't mean it that way.
having said that, this is what i feel, so if you relate to this in any way, enjoy.
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Spike Tassel (Post 86.1): Here, I will deal with 4 meanings to the expression "Jehovah's Witnesses" in the phrase "Downfall of Jehovah's Witnesses":- 1) those whom Jehovah recognize as his Witnesses (taken collectively), 2) those whom Jehovah recognize as his Witnesses (individually), 3) those whom any of the various worldly governments recognize as "Jehovah's Witnesses" (whether individually or collectively), and 4) those whom the KH service committees recognize as "Jehovah's Witnesses" (individually).
Spike Tassel (Post 86.2): as to group 1, since Jehovah's existence will never cease, then it follows that he will always have his Witnesses, including Jesus Christ, the 144,000, and others who continue serving him without end. I trust I equally have the real hope of being reckoned in this number, though my station be earthly.
Spike Tassel (Post 86.3): as to those in group 2, imperfect Witnesses to him may and do at times "fall down" but, in looking to Jehovah, his word, and his kingdom, they as individuals are "made to stand", as the Scriptures state and bear out, their faith being renewed day by day, test by test, experience by experience. I feel that I have "fallen down" many times, but trust that my continued faith in Jehovah, his word, and his kingdom will allow me to always become reconciled with Jehovah in each and every instance.
Spike Tassel (Post 86.4): as to those in group 3, there have been bans and opposition and oppression of various descriptions, but "Jehovah's Witnesses" continue to fight on, whether they are recognized as such or not.
Spike Tassel (Post 86.5): as to those in group 4, I would hope that a reconciliation might take place, so that all may be one with Jehovah and Jesus Christ in the expansion of true worship. If for any reason, any of Jehovah's Witnesses (defintion 1) are not currently recognized as Jehovah's Witnesses (definition 4), I have faith that Jehovah knows the hearts of each and how to either reconcile or reconstitute, as required.
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What are the Major Issues with Jehovah's Witnesses?
by AllTimeJeff init's safe to say that in most instances, it appears that the catalyst for the final move away from jw's, the real start of a road toward a jw exit, is something that affected you personally, whether that was you or a loved one/family member.
we hit our personal bs level, can't take it anymore,.
then we start to examine the flaws of jw dogma.. i would suggest that most do not start a jw exit because they examine the dogma on a personal study project and find out that something isn't right.
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Spike Tassel (Post 85) re AllTimeJeff (Post 1697): I agree that faith includes endurance of the dynamics of personal imperfection. That is the beauty of learning and applying the lessons of Jehovah's word and kingdom. It is an on-going process for which no error need be permanent, for Jehovah is God of the Resurrection. Resurrection of faith, resurrection of truth, resurrection of reality, resurrection of healthy relationships, reesurrection of vitality, resurrection of perspective. These resurrections can overcome any test of time.
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Supreme Court Blood Case - WTS LOSES
by skeeter1 inhttp://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc30/2009scc30.html.
supreme court of canada.
wts loses!.
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Spike Tassel (Post 85): I think that an excellent synopsis of the present outcome may be found at http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/26/supreme-blood026.html. It will be interesting to follow how the work of JWs' HLC/ HIS/ PVG program continues (going forward) to influence even the rulings of even the Supreme Court of Canada, while it exists. Soon, though, the outworking of Dan.2:44 means that implementing the standard of New World justice is still in progress.
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What are the Major Issues with Jehovah's Witnesses?
by AllTimeJeff init's safe to say that in most instances, it appears that the catalyst for the final move away from jw's, the real start of a road toward a jw exit, is something that affected you personally, whether that was you or a loved one/family member.
we hit our personal bs level, can't take it anymore,.
then we start to examine the flaws of jw dogma.. i would suggest that most do not start a jw exit because they examine the dogma on a personal study project and find out that something isn't right.
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Spike Tassel (Post 84): On second thought, if it is "with" Jehovah's Witnesses rather than "against" them, the Major Issues are Jehovah's word and kingdom, and how we each benefit as we learn and apply the lessons of his word and kingdom.